tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post4837578591471797802..comments2024-03-26T11:33:59.219-06:00Comments on Religion in American History: Rapture CulturePaul Harveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13881964303772343114noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-90196620478235323902013-03-22T23:39:30.552-06:002013-03-22T23:39:30.552-06:00[For dessert here's a web scream I found. Also...[For dessert here's a web scream I found. Also Google "Pretrib Rapture Pride.]<br /><br /> The Real Morgan Edwards<br /><br /> by George Wilson<br /><br /> In 1995, in a 24-page booklet on 18th century pastor Morgan Edwards, evangelist John Bray claimed that Edwards taught a pretrib rapture in his 1788 book titled "Two Academical Exercises...."<br /> Those echoing Bray include Thomas Ice who wrote "Morgan Edwards: Another Pre-Darby Rapturist." Edwards' 1788 work can be found on the internet.<br /> In order to claim that Edwards held to pretrib, candidates for the I-can-find-pretrib-earlier-in-church-history-than-you-can medal - including Bray, Ice, LaHaye, Frank Marotta etc. - have intentionally covered up Edwards' "historicism," his belief that the tribulation had already been going on for hundreds of years. (How can anyone in the tribulation go back in time and look for a pretrib rapture?)<br /> Here's proof of Edwards' historicism and its companion "day-year" theory which can view the 1260 tribulation "days" as "years."<br /> On p. 14 Edwards described the Ottoman Empire (which was then already 400 years old) as the Rev. 13:11 "beast." On p. 20 he defined "Antichrist" as the already 1000-year-old "popery" and the "succession of persons" known as "Popes" - his other Rev. 13 "beast." He necessarily viewed Rev. 13's 1260-day period as 1260 literal years in order to provide enough time for his two "beasts."<br /> On p. 19, while discussing "the ministry of the witnesses" of Rev. 11, he allotted "about 204 years" for their "years to perform" - years impossible to fit into a 3.5-year period!<br /> What about Edwards' rapture? On pp. 21-23 he wrote about "the appearing of the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living, and to catch them up to himself....The signs of Christ's appearing in the clouds will be extraordinary 'wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines,' &. (Matth. xxiv. 6-8.)....The signs of his coming, in the heavens will be 'the trump of God [I Thess. 4:16], vapor and smoke, which will darken the sun and moon [Matt. 24:29],'...and also cause those meteors called 'falling stars'....<br /> Right after his combined rapture/advent (!), Edwards said: "And therefore, now, Antichrist...will...counterfeit the preceding wonders in heaven...causing 'fire to come down from heaven'....And that godhead he will now assume, after killing the two witnesses....Now the great persecution of the Jews will begin...for time, times, and half a time...."<br /> Thomas Ice's article on Edwards (see first par. above) quoted only the first 27 words in the above quotation, ending with "to himself." This sort of unethical revisionism is constantly employed by many pretrib defenders.<br /> Not only had most of Edwards' historicist tribulation occurred before his combined rapture/advent, but his Antichrist kept raging for 3.5 years even after the Matt. 24 signs! No wonder his tutor advised him to correct his thesis!<br /> To read Edwards' complete work, Google "[PDF] Two Academical Exercises...www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com."<br /> For more info on Edwards, Google "McPherson Page" (click on a reproduction of "Cover-Ups"). Also Google "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by historian Dave MacPherson.Rocky2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04154389992453412024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-68925301016210510922013-02-09T14:09:54.752-07:002013-02-09T14:09:54.752-07:00Kelly, do you have your syllabus/reading list post...Kelly, do you have your syllabus/reading list posted online anywhere? I am interested in what you have them read on UFOlogy, and wonder what the historiography on that is. L.D. Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030486794964584014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-63845200498853001952013-02-09T04:46:12.342-07:002013-02-09T04:46:12.342-07:00I remember the first time I heard Hal Lindsey expl...I remember the first time I heard Hal Lindsey explain the difference between the pre-tribs and the post-tribs. Imagine my surprise to learn that there are different tribes of "tribs." Und so:<br /><br />JASON<br />Brandon.. Just in case I die, there's something I have to know...<br /><br />BRANDON<br />Yes, Commander?<br /><br />JASON<br />What does the Omega 13 do?<br /><br />BRANDON<br />Well, that's the big question, isn't it? <br /><br />JASON<br />What do you mean? <br /><br />BRANDON<br />It's been the subject of an extremely heated debate on the <br />internet for years. Many believe that is a matter collapser, a <br />bomb capable of destroying all matter in the universe in a chain <br />reaction lasting 13 seconds.<br /><br />JASON<br />But you don't?<br /><br />BRANDON<br />No, I am of the firm belief that in reality it is not a matter <br />killer, but a matter <i>REARRANGER</i>, converting all molecules to the <br />exact state they existed thirteen seconds previous to activation <br />thus effecting a thirteen second time jump to the past. <br /><br />JASON<br />How did you come to that conclusion?<br /><br />BRANDON<br />My cousin's boyfriend's sister went out with the screenwriter. <br />His favorite movie is the Omegaman. He's seen it 13 times...<br /><br />KYLE<br />As you know I strenuously disagree with this theory, Brandon. if <br />all molecules were rearranged, then everyone would be back in <br />time 13 seconds rendering the device useless.<br /><br /><i>Suddenly a BLAST erupts next to Jason's head. He and Gwen turn <br />to see SARRIS' MEN shooting at them from across the room at the <br />entrance to the cavern...</i><br /><br />I have learned to always consult the classics in these matters, in this case:<br />http://sfy.ru/?script=galaxy_questTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-9228719107840985552013-02-07T16:15:34.343-07:002013-02-07T16:15:34.343-07:00Mark and Mike, I mentioned the video game in class...Mark and Mike, I mentioned the video game in class on Monday, and my students were shocked by its existence. Though in previous semesters, I have had students who mentioned playing the video games alongside reading the books. Left Behind works well for class interest and discussion.Kelly J. Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328894784072518452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-6090421275894685792013-02-07T08:34:05.998-07:002013-02-07T08:34:05.998-07:00Michael:
I got my copy for 3 bucks using departme...Michael:<br /><br />I got my copy for 3 bucks using department funds. I guess I'll be left behind for saying this, but I couldn't imagine using any of my own money for it. My students who were big into role-playing games said it didn't really compare to its intended "secular" competitors, even in the freestyle mode when you get to go around and actually shoot at "Global Community" (i. e., the bad guys).Mark T. Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13687874101232569510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-91399518550743371512013-02-07T07:59:28.588-07:002013-02-07T07:59:28.588-07:00Rapture Culture is such a fascinating book. I'...Rapture Culture is such a fascinating book. I'm happy to hear that it works well in an undergrad classroom, though I can't say I'm surprised. esclarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02794977716560232353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-21675954357836345492013-02-07T07:46:01.533-07:002013-02-07T07:46:01.533-07:00Mark's mention of the game piqued my curiosity...Mark's mention of the game piqued my curiosity so I hit the googles. Interesting stuff. I'd be curious to play it, though I can't see paying the twenty bucks for it. Here's a trailer for anyone else interested.<br /><br />http://youtu.be/kJPWR5igYVUMichael J. Altmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352048990586521566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-38405282711222038862013-02-07T05:30:55.239-07:002013-02-07T05:30:55.239-07:00Thanks for this recommendation, Kelly! Rapture Cu...Thanks for this recommendation, Kelly! Rapture Culture sounds like an ideal book for my religion and politics course (I was pretty unhappy with the one I used before; can't even remember the name). <br /><br />Playing the Left Behind: Tribulation Force video game in class can also be revelatory, although I depended heavily on my students to teach me how to "save" someone from the evil guitar players who apparently will roam the streets during the end times. Mark T. Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13687874101232569510noreply@blogger.com