tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post8537482308425685279..comments2024-03-01T11:17:49.152-07:00Comments on Religion in American History: Churches and Child CarePaul Harveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13881964303772343114noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-77476518139250295452013-03-11T09:17:29.676-06:002013-03-11T09:17:29.676-06:00Head Start: The Inside Story of America's Most...<i>Head Start: The Inside Story of America's Most Successful Educational Experiment by Edward Zigler and Susan Muenchow</i><br /><br />hehTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-71272348738671988722013-03-11T05:36:29.063-06:002013-03-11T05:36:29.063-06:00KidKidMike Pasquierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910360700893031424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-46685983214381829992013-03-10T21:45:05.562-06:002013-03-10T21:45:05.562-06:00There are numerous histories of both child care (l...There are numerous histories of both child care (less than 24 hour care as distinguished from orphanages) and Head Start. For Head Start history, see " Head Start: The Inside Story of America's Most Successful Educational Experiment," by Edward Zigler and Susan Muenchow and "The Hidden History of Head Start," by Edward Zigler and Sally J. Styfco. If you want references to child care histories, let me know.childcarehistorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784368821984857310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-57996662972714583192013-03-10T21:42:42.257-06:002013-03-10T21:42:42.257-06:00Histories of both child care (less than 24 hour ca...Histories of both child care (less than 24 hour care) and Head Start have been written. With regard to Head Start, see Head Start: The Inside Story of America's Most Successful Educational Experiment by Edward Zigler and Susan Muenchow, and The Hidden History of Head Start by Edward Zigler and Sally Styfco. If you need references for child care histories, please ask.childcarehistorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784368821984857310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-38308704125971981962013-03-10T16:37:57.892-06:002013-03-10T16:37:57.892-06:00Tom, have you read the book? Ramey answers you que...<i>Tom, have you read the book? Ramey answers you question of what "child care" means in this context. Many poor families used orphanages as ad hoc childcare/daycare---orphanages took care of children, but parents maintained a degree of custody. Let me know if you want to talk about the book if/when you have read it!</i><br /><br />And I'll look forward to your own further thoughts after you've finished it, Janine, thx. I always wonder exactly how widespread certain practices are, for example using orphanages as day care. If the book says so, I hope you'll pass that necessary perspective. At this point we have only two orphanages mentioned, as you know too small a sample for any legitimate social study.<br /><br />In the meantime, Janine, I apologize for my intemperateness here. I do get uppity in the presence of anecdote as history or as "analysis and periodization of the origins of our social welfare system." My example of head Start was to that effect, a program we want with all our hearts to work, but apparently doesn't.<br /><br />http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/11/head-starts-failure-needs-no-more-fundin<br /><br />If someone were to write its history, especially as ""analysis and periodization of the origins of our social welfare system," it would be as yet another example of sentimentality over science.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-38399779458076315182013-03-09T17:03:40.899-07:002013-03-09T17:03:40.899-07:00Thanks so much for this reference, Janine.Thanks so much for this reference, Janine.Mark T. Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13687874101232569510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-1426414752127500762013-03-09T10:40:33.987-07:002013-03-09T10:40:33.987-07:00Thanks, Janine. Looks quite interesting. Thanks, Janine. Looks quite interesting. Curtis J. Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18383177623017872593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-75059538946739369262013-03-09T09:49:59.163-07:002013-03-09T09:49:59.163-07:00Tom, have you read the book? Ramey answers you que...Tom, have you read the book? Ramey answers you question of what "child care" means in this context. Many poor families used orphanages as ad hoc childcare/daycare---orphanages took care of children, but parents maintained a degree of custody. Let me know if you want to talk about the book if/when you have read it!<br /><br />I'm not sure what you're talking about in regard to Head Start. Perhaps there are similarities with early twentieth century orphanages. After you read the book I"d love to discuss that further. <br /><br />I'm not sure if anyone else has written a history of Head Start yet, but that is an important history to write! I know there are some oral histories/ primary sources on the subject in the _Women and Social Movements_ database. I've used them in teaching, and they're very thought- provoking. <br /><br />Thanks for your comments.Janine Giordano Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743145462085629472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-82486912501631485532013-03-09T04:05:15.612-07:002013-03-09T04:05:15.612-07:00Ms. Giordano Drake:
For the benefit of those who ...Ms. Giordano Drake:<br /><br />For the benefit of those who came in late, and I believe I can reasonably speak for them:<br /><br />I don't quite know what "childcare" means here, esp in the presence of The Orphanage. Last I heard of the orphanages was from Newt Gingrich, and that did not go very well atall.<br /><br /><i>the Herbert Gutman Prize</i><br /><br />I know who Herbert Gutman is.<br /><br />http://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/herbert-gutman<br /><br />His studies and scholarship argued that the Black Family made it through slavery and Jim Crow heroically well, in fact far better than it has survived the liberality of the post-1950s. [See the Moynihan Report.]<br /><br />I know who Sen. John Heinz [R-PA] was, John Kerry's predecessor as Theresa Heinz-Kerry's trophy husband. Now he has an award in his name, backed by what used to be his money.<br /><br />But what the hell does that have to do with any of this? Screw the adults. What of the children? <br /><br />To the point: Head Start doesn't work. <br /><br />http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/11/head-starts-failure-needs-no-more-fundin<br /><br />Sorry. So who shall write the history of it? Who should pay to have its history written, or to read it?<br /><br />JGD, I'm all for the history of what has worked, and what has contributed to "progress" and the world as we know it. And we Americans were sentimental about Tracy Stallard, who gave up Roger Maris' 61st home run.<br /><br />But few know who gave up Mark McGuire's 62nd, or Barry Bonds' 73rd. And today, there is no all-black Home for Colored Children. And Head Start is a well-intentioned fraud.<br /><br />I'm all for history where there's something there to preserve and build upon. But not to wallow in it. <br /><br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com