tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post5975062987719987791..comments2024-03-26T11:33:59.219-06:00Comments on Religion in American History: A New UltramontanismPaul Harveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13881964303772343114noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-35922088457293566312008-06-23T22:02:00.000-06:002008-06-23T22:02:00.000-06:00Did I mention that Lamennais was excommunicated la...Did I mention that Lamennais was excommunicated later in his career? So much for papal authority.Mike Pasquierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910360700893031424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-50181528318643685102008-06-23T15:10:00.000-06:002008-06-23T15:10:00.000-06:00Mike,I had a student recently get very excited abo...Mike,<BR/><BR/>I had a student recently get very excited about the pope's visit to the U.S. because this authority figure hopefully would straighten out all those liberal Catholics (his words not mine). In particular, this student was worried about the liberalism of Catholic universities because they did not mesh well with his vision of the church.<BR/><BR/>This student is also reading Augustine currently (we chat frequently), sometimes in Latin. I have a feeling that the Latin mass seems to represent at least for some a return to "traditional" Catholicism that is somehow untouched by Vatican II. Moreover, I am terribly surprised by how shocked my students are when I teach Vatican II in my courses. They know little about the council, and thus, they are not particularly concerned with the return of the Latin mass or what it signifies.Kelly J. Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328894784072518452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-55408093020152587182008-06-23T03:16:00.000-06:002008-06-23T03:16:00.000-06:00Since I became a "lapsed Catholic" many years ago,...Since I became a "lapsed Catholic" many years ago, I've not paid much attention to what's happening inside THE church unless it has a political impact such as exhorting African Catholics against the use of birth control. But I must say, the idea that Pope Benedict has given the "ok" to the saying of the Tridentine Mass kinda bugs me. I rather like Pope John XXIII an it's my guess he wouldn't be too pleased that the windows of his Church were being closed up, catching all that old dust inside. Drag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37589721331585843.post-7035891603882613892008-06-20T04:34:00.000-06:002008-06-20T04:34:00.000-06:00“I saw in a vision a black cross above the Babylon...“I saw in a vision a black cross above the Babylon that is Rome, upon which was written Ira Domini, the wrath of the Lord. . . . I say to you, the Church of God must be renewed, and it will be soon” --Girolamo Savonarola<BR/><BR/>Each time I teach the history of Catholicism, I am amazed at how the question of papal authority has remained a point of debate, shifting from generation to generation. Clearly, social conditions play into this. I can empathize with Savonarola (whew, was he a treat) and the other reformers, since by all accounts Rome was a MESS. Who would want to associate themselves with all of that??? <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I too have met the proverbial-multi-colored-polo-shirt-self-professed-orthodox-Catholics. I see in them a longing for stability, alongside a genuine attachment to the faith (which I CAN NOT understate or trivialize). Globalization etc. has left a mess of moral truths that makes Vatican II collegiality less appealing. The Latin Mass evokes a mythical memory of one truth, embodied by the pope. It's interesting to observe the conversations (conflicts?) between Catholics of the Vatican II era, and the rising generation. There are, indeed, competing notions of what counts as "truly" Catholic. <BR/><BR/>If trends continue as they have, we may very well see the pendulum swing in the other direction in the next 20 years. The only question I have is, what will spark a return to collegiality? <BR/><BR/>Pardon my rambling... Great post...Art Remillardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03857242536492717015noreply@blogger.com